guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120619 - Ignore guspenskiy13 modified | 
6/10/2014 2:33:45 PM
  You are talking about daily time-frame right?
 
 why not use the averages on volatility? more effective on S&P ?
 
 VXX instead of TVIX ? same thing?
 
 Thanks.
 
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shillllihs 6,101 posts msg #120621 - Ignore shillllihs modified | 
6/10/2014 2:46:03 PM
  I was just making a point that the money is right there & everyone keeps searching.
 
 What would you do differently?
 
 Not sure what you were referring to but tvix moves more than vxx right?
 
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guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120622 - Ignore guspenskiy13 | 
6/10/2014 2:56:20 PM
  Well, that's a good point, I also found volatility etf's pretty attractive for a number of reasons.
 
 I was just thinking, whether or not shorting them when they are below ema(100) (instead of using SPY with EMA's) would make any difference....
 
 Although, which time-frame do you use? Daily?
 
 I would even use UVXY (ADR(30) 0.23% higher than TVIX) if I could....I can only use VXX...
 
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shillllihs 6,101 posts msg #120623 - Ignore shillllihs | 
6/10/2014 3:13:22 PM
  I use tvix because it only costs me 3% to short, while uvxy is 7%.
 I use daily. 
 You don't need to use SPY at all, i just use it as a reference.
 
 I have problems with how & why so if you're going to ask me specifics i can't answer.
 
 I don't even know how to make anything above a simple filter. I am too lazy.
 What i'm good at is extracting from the cream of the crop.
 
 I think Kevin's SPY/VXX is slightly better at certain times while my approach works better at other times. His works like a charm so why he keeps trying other approaches & failing is beyond me.
 There was a day that you would have lost 30% in a day though.
 
 Can you plot a filter for me just using SPY/VXX with 100/200 ema similar to Kevin's SPY/VXX.
 
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guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120624 - Ignore guspenskiy13 modified | 
6/10/2014 3:15:51 PM
  daily time-frame?
 
 I will compare the results of 100/200 ema to VXX/SPY as a signal; I think that time-frame of 30 or 60 minutes would be interesting
 
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shillllihs 6,101 posts msg #120625 - Ignore shillllihs | 
6/10/2014 3:49:17 PM
  Daily, but you can do more if you want.
 
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guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120626 - Ignore guspenskiy13 modified | 
6/10/2014 4:19:05 PM
  Didn't work with EMA for some reason, but I think that I'm just bad at scripting. 
 
  	    
 
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 VXX/SPY 5 year daily TOS ema(100)&(200)
 
  
 
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 VIX/SPX 5 year daily TOS ema(100)&(200):
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120628 - Ignore guspenskiy13 | 
6/10/2014 4:24:30 PM
 
  
 
 Interestingly, 1 minute chart with same ema's would give us a sell at 10:25 today, TVIX @3.52.
 
 TVIX ended up closing 5% lower EOD.
 
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shillllihs 6,101 posts msg #120629 - Ignore shillllihs | 
6/10/2014 4:37:25 PM
  So shorting TVIX under 100/200 & bailing & waiting when it encroaches is useless?
 
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guspenskiy13 976 posts msg #120631 - Ignore guspenskiy13 | 
6/10/2014 5:03:22 PM
  charts for VXX/SPY do not show the data we want.
 
 $VIX and $SPY do. that's what I meant.
 
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